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But we have As we talked about last time, the sin-offerings that are being offered every day are not transactional. It makes no sense. Stephen: This is like 25 pages of dissertation; I could just refer you back thereno. Okay, all right, well then, well dip back into Hebrews which references all of this. Stephen: But due to the frequency of the show, is it not actually Goat Fortnight? YouTube I did believe the doctrine of the Trinity was in the OT, but in a latent or implicit form. Okay, so, but there was something else also, a connection from John 17. Its just regular I mean, the tent-covering of the tabernacle was made from goat hair. It sounds like were FBI profilers. How the Devil Got His Hooves and Horns: The Origin of the Motif, "The Embarrassing and Alluring Biblical Giant," online at Bible and Interpretation (2 December 2015). This is from an apostle, letting us know how to interpret that Isaiah passage. Andrew: So, okay, a question that suddenly occurs to me is I mean, theres kind of a generalnow, maybe Im wrong about this, but I thought there was kind of a general rule of Dont touch the ark of the covenant, and of course Ive seen Raiders of the Lost Ark; I know what happens if you open it. So its just these common things that they had in the camp, but then theyre taken and theyre consecrated and theyre set aside by being sprinkled with blood. Stephen: The goat who exists or the goat who creates Yeah. Fr. So probably the most famous Church Father to talk about this in terms of atonement specifically is St. AthanasiusSt. [Laughter] where it describes what Tubal-cain created. Fr. Islam, in: Encyclopedia of the Bible and Its Reception (EBR), vol. In case you miscontrued everything I just said: Youre not worshiping Azazel. Andrew: [Scoff] Yeah! Strictly speaking, thats not Christianity; its Gnosticism. Fr. Fr. Fr. I hear you. Fr. Fr. Stephen: Thats the indictment thats sort of read over Azazel before he at this eschatological Day of Atonement. Are these just religious-sounding synonyms for good things or bad things? Not machines taking over and acquiring agency, and not machines evolving their own intentionality, but human beings creating a world customized for the flourishing of machines? For anyone who leaves the Orthodox faith for Protestantism, this becomes an easy issue to take up and throw stones back at the Orthodox Church. Andrew Stephen Damick and Ancient Faith Radio, Dr. Jeannie Constantinou and Ancient Faith Radio, Fr. AFP publications include: Enter the email address you signed up with and we'll email you a reset link. Dr. Stephen De Young is Pastor of Archangel Gabriel Orthodox Church in Lafayette, Louisiana. 190 Court St, Charleston, WV 25301 | Phone: 304-346-0106 | Email: office@stgeorgecharleston.org. Andrew Stephen Damick and Fr. Stephen De Young is not only leading the charge for Orthodox apologetics in a world of secular biblical scholarship, but he is also doing us all a favor by reviving the cosmic frame of ancient Christians, giving hope to a jaded culture desperately looking for a re-enchanted world in which it can fully participate. Stephen dismantles, and one very dear to my heart. Stephen DeYoung takes an axe to the root of the tree of Neo-Marcionite misreadings of the Old Testament prevalent in academic and popular-level biblical studies literature.Fr. Thats why this. Stephen De Young concludes St. Paul's letter to the Galatians, by discussing chapters 5 and 6. Mahaksapatalika (Isaacs Jr.). Now, this doesnt mean, like, he was Santa, keeping a list all year, like the high priest was going around spying on people and seeing all the stuff they did and writing it down. Fr. Thats just a good guiding principle here, super, super important; makes all these references to atonement in the New Testament make a lot more sense. And so this is what St. Matthew is seeing, too, in the Prophet Isaiah, that by Christ becoming man and living in this world and suffering and experiencing human weakness voluntarily, etc., etc., that by doing that, he is healing our humanity. Stephen: Because of this sort of schism in the way we bizarrely celebrate scholarship of the New Testament from the Old Testament. I can understand all that, and thats fun: figuring out all the details, all the systems, all the lore. So this is sometimes expressed as there were arguments about them; in reality it was just some communities had them and used them and some other ones didnt have them and therefore didnt. Fr. Yetzer Anthropologies in the Apocalypse of Abraham (WUNT, 1.438; Tuebingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2020). Hes wrapped about with a scarlet, Fr. [Laughter] Dont the daily offerings cover it? They think that sins are put on animals and then the animals sacrificed to Godthat never happens in the Scripture anywhere. These werent special, magic goats. And in a ritual, if something is not ritualized, when you have a detailed ritual, and it says, Before the ritual, wash your hands, for example, and it doesnt say, Heres the prayer when you wash your hands, that means the hand-washing isnt ritualized, and it means it doesnt mean anything. In God Is a Man of War, Fr. Fr. Stephen: I love it when a plan comes together. Fr. Stephen De Young Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century Kindle Edition by Stephen De Young (Author) Format: Kindle Edition 357 ratings See all formats and editions Kindle $9.99 Read with Our Free App Audiobook $0.00 Free with your Audible trial Great on Kindle Great Experience. And if hes of Azazel, this one whos teaching this forbidden knowledge, then hes doing the works of his father, so to speak; hes imaging Azazel. Stephen: This goat-spirit of the wilderness is then picked up in a lot of later imagery, probably the most famous being Baphomet, this sort of Satan-figure or devil-figure. And he is picking up from this, basically Enochic literature, this Second Temple literature, a certain understanding of the cosmic aspects of the Day of Atonement and of this eschatological Day of Atonement. Stephen: So where combinations have been made. Fr. They meant, at the time, was putting man and God together at one. That was the intention. Stephen: And finally, be sure to go to ancientfaith.com/support and help make sure we and lots of other AFR podcasters stay on the air. Rabbinic Judaism was invented specifically in reaction to Christianity, and involved systematically expunging aspects of their theological pedigree that overlapped with the Christian faith. How does that begin? And then the whole idea, not just in general terms but in its specifics, is picked up wholesale by St. John the Evangelist in the Johannine literature. Fr. It has this sort of importance as a major battle site. Copyright 2023 Apple Inc. All rights reserved. I will examine, of course, the passage itself, the terminology used therein, and the various translations. Andrew: Yeah, ooh. Fr. What does it mean? Fr. This review considers the claims and notes some basic yet fundamental level issues. Andrew: Yeah, another super-important point, that the goat that gets the sins is not killed and cannot be killed as a sacrifice. Fr. Fr. Fr. So, yeah, but that understanding of it is responsible for a lot of Western Christianity. Yet as I began reading The Religion of the Apostles, my pride quickly turned to shame. I mean, people debate exactly how the blood dealt with the taint, like: Did it absorb it? Stephen: Can you hear me? was your one question for tonight, unfortunately. Fr. But the Bible indicates that the Nephilim reappeared after presumably being killed off in the Flood. So why isnt this more widely understood? Its amazing. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, right, and it probably should be noted that that doesnt contradict what came before. But those were then publicly pronounced over that goat, and now that the goat has these sins on it, has the taint, the ontological taint from the peopleits sort of absorbed by that goatthat goat cant be sacrificed and cant be brought anywhere near the tabernacle, because now its totally unclean. Fr. Fr. Stephen: The Antiochus was obviously a family name of the Seleucid dynasty, and they all took these titles. And it turns out that, before it ever got into the Bible, there was occasionally this contraction of the word at and the word one, so you get at-one, however it would have been pronounced back in, like, the 14th century. Fr. Its everybodys sins. Fr. [Laughter] So, yeah, thats the word itself. Fr. Weve got a few things that we kind of need to sort of mention, and its interesting actually: the first thing thats on our list, which is in our notes, was something someone actually sent to me saying, Hey, you guys going to mention this? and thats the image of whats called the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53. Stephen: And so, yes, theres the figure, especially in the Apocalypse of Abraham, hes named Yahoel, this Angel of the Lord figure, who serves as the high priest for this eschatological Day of Atonement. Fr. The other problem with seeing atonement as a kind of system is that it actually disconnects it from the actual Christian life. Andrew: Yeah. Yeah, and then again Hebrews 10: How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of Godand heres the important part here, for our purposesand has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified and has outraged the spirit of grace. So, again, the blood of the covenant does this sanctification. Sorry. On the Origin of Watchers: A Comparative Study of the Antediluvian Wisdom in Mesopotamian and Jewish Traditions, The Antediluvian Origin of Evil in the Mesopotamian and Jewish Traditions A Comparative Study, Response to Ken Ammi's review of my paper - "Were the Nephilim Genetically Psychopathic? Okay, so how does? Andrew: All right, well, welcome back to the third half of The Lord of Spirits. Andrew: Its a response. So thats the idea. A dissertation submitted to the faculty of the School of Graduate Studies, Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion (2009). So the first covering that happens, the reason this is done on this day, as weve mentioned in previous episodes, is that this is the day that Yahweh chose to appear visibly in the holy of holies. So atonement is here to stay. Stephen: Yeah, theyre going to cast lots, and ones going to go for one purpose and ones going to go for the other. Fr. Fr. Yeah, thats not in the Greek. We had the Sunday of the Last Judgment, so weve had goats on our minds. Send it out. Fr. Yes, yes, yes! So thats what were going to do now. Fr. Athanasius the Great, St. Athanasius of Alexandriain his work, On the Incarnation. I love it when the fundamental unity between the old and new covenants is shown. This is before Christs birth, an awareness that were managing the problem, were dealing with the problem, but were not solving the problem. Its remembered as being the decisive battle of the American Late Unpleasantness. But when Judaism was invented in the 6th century, they rejected much of their heritage that overlapped with Christianity, from the Septuagint to the doctrine of God being more than one person. But what hes on to is what St. Matthew was talking about. Fr. Stephen: Yeah, you could pretty safely use the same list every year, because all of that had happened again. I know weve said this several times already, but when atonement is talked about in the New Testament, its not referring to some abstract theological idea of atonement; its referring to what happened on the Day of Atonement and comparing, specifically, as were going to see, what Christ does, to that. I dont think theyre such long questions. When the book of Enoch lists what the different rebellious angelic beings taught to humans, what Azazel is listed as having taught are the same things that Tubal-cain in Genesis 4:2 because if theres anything people love more than Slavonic pseudepigrapha, its genealogies. What can I say? Stephen: Ruined, yeah. And the rest of the show will be explaining that joke. These lists include some notes and clarifications later shared by Fr. Stephen: And the way hes said to do that, in 1 John 3:8, is that Christ appears to destroy the works of the devil.. Fr. Sorry. So it starts with, as we talked about last time, the idea of sin-offeringsit starts with a sin-offering by the high priest and his immediate sons who are going to be serving with him; its the high priest and only the high priest and only on this day, who was going to actually go into what we now call the holy of holies or the sanctum sanctorum, if youre a Doctor Strange fan. All right. So there are others, certainly Hebrews has a very detailed, and were going to Hebrews is going to be peppered throughout this half of the show, but it has a very detailed description and connection between Christ and the Day of Atonement ritual, as were going to see. Andrew: Aw man. This kind of thing is fun, and it can be very easy, when exposed to theology, especially theology of this kind, thats trying to explain how everything works and how everything fits together and see things from Gods perspective, to approach our Christian life from that perspective, that its about me figuring things out; its about me piecing things together: its about this intellectual construct that I want to form in my mind, where I have the perfect theology and I understand everything. [Laughter], Fr. I think sometimes people take 1, 2, and 3 John as being like these little bonus bits toward the end of the New Testament before we get to the big, crazy dream-vision at the end. Okay, by all means. So its the same thing in terms of ordination. Fr. Fr. He holds a PhD in Biblical Studies from Amridge University. Stephen: Right, now, a couple of key things there. So the first thing the high priest has to do is he has to, in order to prepare to enter the space, offer a whole ton of incensenot a little, not one scoop. Fr. Fr. Fr. Fr. Welcome to The Lord of Spirits podcast. Fr. But, before we get there, a couple of things we have to say at the very outset: All references to the atonement in the New Testament are explicitly about the Day of Atonement ritual. These. Fr Stephen explains it a way that finally makes sense. I am the biggest nerd anyone will ever meet. Fr. Were about to talk now about how hes also the goat for Yahweh, but I just wanted to link these two things together actually from a very familiar bit of hymnography for Orthodox Christians, and thats from the doxology, whether the little doxology or the great doxology, if I remember correctly, this line is in both, where we sing, O Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, who takest away the sin of the world; have mercy on us, O thou who takest away the sins of the world. Okay, so he takes away the sin of the world and the sins of the world. And I say spiritual being because it includes in a couple cases its gods and in a couple cases its dead people, the spirits of deceased people, where there has been some issue between them and a living person, so some sort of offering is made to mend that relationship. They have also referenced three human falls which Fr. Andrew: [Laughter] Right, no, no, no, theres more. Well, there is no context for this Umm what do we think this means, in context?. And thats what described, like in Daniel, as the abomination of desolation, because it rendered Yeah, they couldnt use the Temple any more after that. Fr. Fr. Stephen can write a follow-up book to help us connect these dots. Instagram, RSS & iTunes I always wanted to better understand it. Or a curse? Fr. So it had this prominence beyond those other books. Dan: Oh, yeah, Im here! Andrew: Thats fine. Fr. But completely wrong. Andrew: I suspectyeah, thats right. Fr. A dissertation submitted to the faculty of the School of Graduate Studies, Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion (2009) . Fr. We talked a little bit about that. Fr. In Hebrew, thats Yom Kippur, which is this annual commemoration thats made by the people of God in ancient Israel, but its an addition to the regular sin-offerings that are to be done every day. Stephen: And all the Ethiopians will rejoice because theyre like: [Whispered] Weve got it!. Mike Schmitz), The Catechism in a Year (with Fr. Another fun thing from Sunday school, ruined by Fr. But its the only is an adverb, not an adjective. I mean, St. Matthew is himself a Jewanti-Semitic?hes writing the most Jewish of the gospels, the most Hebraized of the gospels! And then, so the Israelites are referred to as sheep sort of all through the Old Testament, and their leaders as shepherds, because theyre these sheep who are now set free from Egypt and brought out into this new pasture, all of that symbolism. I read your dissertation, and its magnificent. And its interesting: I recently heard a certainhe identifies as a Protestant, but most Protestants would not identify him as a Protestantbiblical scholar talking about atonement, and who tried to read St. Athanasiuss On the Incarnation and just said, I cant tell what hes doing in terms of his In terms of trying to address it in terms of atonement theory. Fr. Length: 2:12:00. Thank you very much for listening, everybody. Stephen: I know you really want Goat Week to be a thing. In the Orthodox Church, Greek is kind of our base language for theology and liturgy and so forth. Not only is that a bizarre assumption, that theres no reason to believe is trueeven if it was true, theres no reasons to believe that we as humans could understand how it works from Gods sidebut the dangerous thing is, again, not just being wrong, but how this affects our life in Christ. Okay, but before we get to the actual New Testament, theres some stuffsurprise, surprise, Lord of Spirits listeners!theres other literature that surrounds the New Testament that informs whats going on in the New Testament. Fr. Fr. And you know, when an apostle interprets the Old Testament for you? Stephen De Young, goes back to what I explained earlier: our understanding of the Judaism of Jesus' day has been tinctured by Rabbinic Judaism, which we anachronistically assume reflects the tradition of the Pharisees. Fr. Could that be the real AI apocalypse that we should be worried about? These are just a few examples of how Fr. And when we were talking about this, you mentioned that, in terms of the actual construction of the language there, its a parallel construction, that Yahweh and Azazel are being used in parallel. Well, okay, so theres a little bit of backstory here, and again, Luke, using this detail about Christ being on the road to Emmaushes actually on the road to Emmaus, but everyone knows what Emmaus is famous for. Stephen: The corruption of the earth, of the whole world. Fr. They are teaching you and giving you the proclamation of Christ. Its sort of like death stuff. So you use life stuff to purify from death stuff.. Andrew: Yeah, Im not into that kind of thing at all. When Christ says hes sanctifying himself, its not as if he was unholy before and hes doing some action; that him sanctifying himself is talking about his incarnation, his earthly life, and his coming death, in which he has sanctified himself, his person, in order that his disciples in all ages would be sanctified, would be made holy. Thats for all of my Southern friends out there. And if you read a lot of recent Old Testament scholarship, because of how loaded the word atonement has become, they try to call it something else. Stephen: like Brass Against and Cybertronic Spree, we refer to cover bands as atonement bands.. Fr. But its in Leviticus 16, and the purpose of it We often think of it in terms of: Well, this is atoning for people or Israel and the bad stuff they did, but the ritual is explicitly stated to be atoning for the altar of incense, atoning for the ark of the covenant, atoning for the space within the tabernacle. dragon lucky hari hari, dr swetech gastroenterology, joseph martorano obituary fort lauderdale,